This episode of HEP Talks is a continuation of Luke Kemper’s interview with Charles (Chaz) Golding and Lawrence Hoo, cofounders of the CARGO movement.

Chaz is the Creative Director of CARGO, and has vast experience in working in the art and media worlds. Lawrence, Executive Producer of CARGO, is a poet and educator based in Bristol who has worked tirelessly for social justice for disadvantaged communities in Bristol and beyond.

In this part of the podcast, they talk more about the educational resources on the CARGO website, how teachers and young people have engaged with them, and what’s next for the movement.

Stories for every subject

One of the best parts about CARGO’s resources, according to Chaz and Lawrence, is that they take the form of narratives, drawing in audiences of teachers and pupils alike. Some of the narratives originate far in the past, like the story of Imhotep, the ancient Egyptian architect and high priest. Others are much closer to home, and stem from people Chaz and Lawrence have actually met, like the relatives of Henrietta Lacks, whose cells were used for scientific experimentation without her consent.

Another great feature of the resources is that they span subjects. Initially, they focused on history and art, but they have branched out into STEM subjects, like the lesson featuring Lonnie Johnson, an African American fighter pilot and NASA scientist. But all the lessons retain the stories that make them engaging – as well as the incredible accompanying artwork that bring those stories to life.

What (and where) next?

The feedback from both teachers and young people has been phenomenal, according to Chaz and Lawrence. Teachers have found the resources not only useful, but also enlightening for themselves, and educators as far away as South Africa have used them in their classrooms. As for the pupils, their involvement with CARGO’s project speaks for itself.

It is those young people to which Chaz and Lawrence eventually hope to hand over CARGO’s future, so that the movement can continue to bolster Black representation, richly add to school curricula, and provide a space for the communities they serve to be heard.

If you want to learn more about the CARGO movement and its educational resources, please listen to the podcast, and check out their website here.

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About the Author:

Luke Kemper

Luke Kemper is Insight and Intelligence Lead at HEP. He recently graduated from the University of Cambridge with an MPhil in Education, Globalisation and International Development. Before that, he worked for seven years as a university lecturer and high school teacher in China and Poland.

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